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Offline Clark

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Commandos vs Marines
« on: April 11, 2011, 08:56:14 PM »
We need to throw off the Space Hulk yoke.

"In contemporary usage, commando usually means elite light infantry and/or special operations forces units, specializing in amphibious landings, parachuting, rappelling and similar techniques, to conduct and effect attacks. "

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commando

In this case, commandos are specialized in underground assaults.  Space marines are any soldier who is specifically deployed by ship.

But Planetstorm troops are no more Space Marines than the Normandy invasion force.







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Re: Commandos vs Marines
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2011, 12:16:07 AM »
Take a look at HALO.

There you have the SPARTAN's, Hell Jumpers, Marines and then the regulars.

PI, Space Marines and then the rest of the soldiers.

To me Commando's are specialized troops that are better than all the rest, even in the open (if only slightly better in the open.)

Space Marines are good at ship board and landing heads.
PI are good at landing heads, hard positions and general battles where the extra armor and fire power are needed.
The regulars are the fill in the middle red shirts.

The Commandos do all the above and a bit more. They are best in tight spaces where not seeing but completely relying on your buddy is the only way you survive.

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Re: Commandos vs Marines
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2011, 12:24:18 AM »
Don't forget the Assault Troopers.  Pride of the dismounted Armour Corps!

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« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2011, 04:26:08 AM »
Assault/drop troopers are more akin to airborne than marines.  Of course, I took the name "commando" from the Canadian Airborne Regiment.

Ship borne Commandos who specialize in boarding actions would be like the British SBS.

SSS or Special Star Service would sound a bit too creepy for UNE troops.

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Re: Commandos vs Marines
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2011, 06:07:31 AM »
Special Interstellar Service!

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Re: Commandos vs Marines
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2011, 08:01:13 AM »
SIS: I like it!

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Re: Commandos vs Marines
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2011, 06:14:29 AM »
I hereby charge you a million billion dollars in consultancy fees.

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Re: Commandos vs Marines
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2011, 06:35:15 AM »
You'll get paid in 2140 after the Fed does QE15 and the greenback is trading one-for-one with the Korean Won.

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Re: Commandos vs Marines
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2011, 08:12:12 AM »
You'll get paid in 2140 after the Fed does QE15 and the greenback is trading one-for-one with the Korean Won.

That early. Wow, I need to get on the ball and start coming up with even better ideas that you can steal.

 ;D

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Re: Commandos vs Marines
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2011, 02:09:36 PM »
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Re: Commandos vs Marines
« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2011, 07:33:16 AM »
Interesting topic, from a UK centric view, the Royal Marine Commandos specialise in amphibious assaults, raiding and hostile environments, the SBS are more akin to the US Navy SEAL's in their role. Commandos would also cover some of the roles filled by the US army rangers.  how that would translate to LoS not sure, but the RM's are no Space Wombles.

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« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2011, 09:06:13 AM »
Controlling the language controls the thought patterns.

Steve, if you have experience with the UK military then your input would be useful.  It would be great to create a number of analagous services for the UNE.

SIS: commandos specialized in boarding actions (hat tip SW)
SOG: a mixed force that works with other friendlies like Privateers, Infranites and Heretics.
Peacemakers: lots of EMP weapons for non-lethal engagement plus lighter weapons to engage NPI.

From my knowledge of the Canadian military, our Pathfinders are like US Rangers while the 2CER guys I trained with had the quals of the SEALs (airborne, infantry training, combat diver, demolition experts etc).

Hmm.  New unit idea: UNE Rangers.  They are all drop troops specialized in taking ground and preparing it for the main force to land on.

UNE  Ranger Point Section

Assault Sergeant
Assault Trooper x2
Heavy Assault Trooper
Recce Corporal
Recce Trooper
Pioneer x2

Larger formations consist of Assault, Recce and Pioneer elements as full sections.  Other than a few ASPs they have no fire support because they rely on orbital bombardment.

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Re: Commandos vs Marines
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2011, 01:35:54 PM »
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Hmm.  New unit idea: UNE Rangers.  They are all drop troops specialized in taking ground and preparing it for the main force to land on.

UNE  Ranger Point Section

Assault Sergeant
Assault Trooper x2
Heavy Assault Trooper
Recce Corporal
Recce Trooper
Then these would be the equal of a United States Pathfinder. They go in ahead of all the troops, behind enemy lines, and mark targets, scout locations and are the early eyes and ears of Command that decide what targets are the highest priority. Then they either wait for link up or make their way back to friendly lines.
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Pioneer x2

Larger formations consist of Assault, Recce and Pioneer elements as full sections.  Other than a few ASPs they have no fire support because they rely on orbital bombardment.
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Re: Commandos vs Marines
« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2011, 02:18:24 PM »
Currently the Canadian Special Operations Regiment, or CSOR  "See-soar" are most directly analagous to US Army Rangers.

Canadian Pathfinders, if I can say it without causing any rifts, are considered a notch above standard rank and file US Rangers, in that they are not really a unit,  rather they are a special qualification, like a Forward Air Controller crossed with a HALO jumper crossed with an intelligence operative crossed with a...

In this I gather they are probably along the lines of US Army Pathfinders?


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Re: Commandos vs Marines
« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2011, 02:40:12 PM »
Currently the Canadian Special Operations Regiment, or CSOR  "See-soar" are most directly analagous to US Army Rangers.

Canadian Pathfinders, if I can say it without causing any rifts, are considered a notch above standard rank and file US Rangers, in that they are not really a unit,  rather they are a special qualification, like a Forward Air Controller crossed with a HALO jumper crossed with an intelligence operative crossed with a...

In this I gather they are probably along the lines of US Army Pathfinders?
Sounds darn close to the same. :)

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