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Title: What Crossover or Conversion games/figures
Post by: Dave Chase on March 04, 2011, 06:49:12 PM
Here is the question;
What game(s ) and/or figures do you think would make a good cross over, conversion or fit into the LOS universe?

(Note: not rules, not here. If you have rule sets or descriptions, please place them in the Rules Section of the forum, thanks.)

I will start by picking one, based more on the figures than the game (because I have never played the game but have several of the figures.)

HALO

Here are my reasons for selecting HALO.
1)  The figures are cool and easily fit the image of power armor of UNE, and the Covenant figures are very good also for living aliens or with a bit of metal paint, LOS figures of a new design.
2)  The game is very popular and it could (would) draw others to the LOS game
3)  There are lots of figures available for purchase and extra weapons that would allow people to play a LOS game using them
4)  The figures are cool looking and look like modified UNE PI suits. (I know, I already said this but its true.)

I know of some others that I think would work, but its your turn to post some. J

Dave Chase
Title: Re: What Crossover or Conversion games/figures
Post by: sergeant_hastp on March 04, 2011, 10:44:40 PM
Starship Troopers.

'nuff said.
Title: Re: What Crossover or Conversion games/figures
Post by: Clark on March 04, 2011, 11:04:22 PM
I just finished reading the book (which is way better than the movie). The Maurauder armour is two or three kills, jump jets better than a recce trooper, and powerful explosive warheads, flamer, grenades, et al. I will have to read it again for work rather than pleasure to figure out more specifics.
Title: Re: What Crossover or Conversion games/figures
Post by: Brother Jim on March 04, 2011, 11:13:36 PM
Xenomorphs, Predators and Colonial Marines.
Title: Re: What Crossover or Conversion games/figures
Post by: Dave Chase on March 05, 2011, 12:19:13 AM
Well if you want to make some kick-ass infiltrators to catch the LOS off guard when they land on a human planet, just build some of the Cobra Units from Timothy Zahn’s novels.

Dave Chase
Title: Re: What Crossover or Conversion games/figures
Post by: grendeljd on March 05, 2011, 09:39:23 PM
Xenomorphs, Predators and Colonial Marines.

I'll second that!
Title: Re: What Crossover or Conversion games/figures
Post by: Dave Chase on March 05, 2011, 11:59:18 PM
The armor and mobile units from Ghost in the Shell and Apple Seed.

Dave Chase
Title: Re: What Crossover or Conversion games/figures
Post by: Brother Jim on March 06, 2011, 07:44:11 AM
Daleks
Title: Re: What Crossover or Conversion games/figures
Post by: Clark on March 06, 2011, 10:34:10 AM
I've seen at least one convention event that had Dalecks. I've seen maybe two episodes of Dr. Who so I have no comments on how to convert.
Title: Re: What Crossover or Conversion games/figures
Post by: Scoutzout on March 06, 2011, 01:11:34 PM
HALO for sure...in fact I have a ton of the Mega Blocks minis. The set also includes vehicles

Aliens, Preds, and Xenos but find actual miniatures of a playable scale is tough There is some hero clix stuff

GI Joe 3 1/4 inch figures -  full range of Cobra Troops, GI Joes and vehicles at a manageable scale

Star Wars -  hero clix

25 MM Historical Games


Title: Re: What Crossover or Conversion games/figures
Post by: grendeljd on March 06, 2011, 03:13:29 PM
Star Wars -  hero clix

There are existing lines of Star Wars mini's [old & new] that would work too, no?

[On a side note, I gotta say that Hirst Arts line of 3d maze kits makes me drool - I would love to play LoS with that stuff.]
Title: Re: What Crossover or Conversion games/figures
Post by: Scoutzout on March 06, 2011, 08:35:50 PM
Oh yeah!...just SW in general. I think most available are the hero clix/D&D plastics.


Title: Re: What Crossover or Conversion games/figures
Post by: Clark on March 06, 2011, 08:46:57 PM
Have you heard the story of how Star Wars contributed to the death of Global Games?
Title: Re: What Crossover or Conversion games/figures
Post by: Dave Chase on March 06, 2011, 09:10:07 PM
Have you heard the story of how Star Wars contributed to the death of Global Games?

Nope, but being a former WizKids, LLC employee and attempting to deal with them before Topps bought out WizKids and then WizKids (Topps) used the license, I can guess.

But, I would like to hear the story, in another thread of course. ;)

Dave Chase
Title: Re: What Crossover or Conversion games/figures
Post by: Clark on March 06, 2011, 09:49:57 PM
It's sort of relevant so I will post it here.

Global Games had an industry reputation for good quality figs and a solid game system.  West End Games had a license from Lucas Arts for Star Wars and had created a succcessful RPG.  They were looking at doing a miniature battle game and contacted Marco about Global Games doing it under a sub-license as a variant of the LOS rules.  I'm not sure how far Marco got with modifying the rules but he had sample miniatures sculpted and started flogging the idea to our distributors. Marco sunk something like $15,000 into the project and had nudge-nudge-wink-wink sales of about $2 million lined up when West End Games declared bankruptcy.  Bankruptcy terminates license agreements, and so Global's sublicense disappeared.  I think Marco tried to approach Lucas Arts but $200,000 in royalties was simply not worth their time for negotiating a Star Wars gaming license.

Title: Re: What Crossover or Conversion games/figures
Post by: TheTraitorJacobson on March 07, 2011, 12:27:18 AM
I just picked up an LOS black box off of ebay , sans minis, but the guy threw in a squad of space marines and a a bunch of the Star War clix robots.    I could easily picture the bots and Stormtroopers duking it out in the halls, without all those silly jedis to mess up the fun.

There are "rumors" :o of a fellow player in Pennsylvania with a fully painted squad of GG Stormtroopers.  They were the sweetest SW minis I have ever seen.  This is yet another reason I get depressed whenever someone mentions WEG
Title: Re: What Crossover or Conversion games/figures
Post by: grendeljd on March 07, 2011, 08:10:28 AM
This may be a little disturbing... has anyone here ever checked out the game AT-43? A friend bought me a few minis and I had intended to get the rulebooks because they were pretty slick looking, but they went under due to piss-poor distribution issues. I say disturbing because it bears a very similar back story to LoS, at least at surface level, with the primary forces being a robotic enemy bent on reforming the universe in their image [aka:machine], a human army named UNA [!!!! too close to UNE for my taste!] and another army called the RedBlok, based on a soviet theme [aka:Fantasians!]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT-43 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT-43)

Title: Re: What Crossover or Conversion games/figures
Post by: bobloblah on March 07, 2011, 11:02:26 AM
I think those are mostly surface similarities, and are tropes shared pretty broadly in sci-fi. Moreover, I think that if you dig a little deeper into the AT-43 backstory (which, to be clear, I do not play) you discover that [SPOILER ALERT! HIGHLIGHT TO READ] the Therians are actually humans from Earth who've modified themselves into a cyberetic existence.. As for the U.N.A. and Red Block...well, that would mean that any United Nations variant is a ripoff of the U.N.E., and anything that resembles the Soviets is actually a Fantasian clone. That seems like a stretch.
Title: Re: What Crossover or Conversion games/figures
Post by: grendeljd on March 07, 2011, 11:09:53 AM
I agree with you, bobloblah - they are surface similarities at best.

I think it's the coincidence of so many similar concepts all within one game that struck me funny - to have three virtually similar armies as LoS. There are enough twists, such as the Therien origin you mention, to make it its own thing. And of course, LoS pre-dates AT-43.

Title: Re: What Crossover or Conversion games/figures
Post by: Clark on March 07, 2011, 02:39:07 PM
I was surprised by the similarity between the Mind Vault and the power pods in The Matrix.
Title: Re: What Crossover or Conversion games/figures
Post by: sergeant_hastp on March 07, 2011, 04:36:35 PM
I really enjoyed the movie Starship Troopers when it came out...because for me it was Legions of Steel/ Planetstorm.  The soldiers were just UNE non-powered infantry.

It was a fight across the surface of the planet to storm the subterranean complexes looking for the master...

It gave the right *Feel* anyway.

Which is why I did up a Starship Troopers (Movie) conversion.  We used those cheap rubber insects you get at the dollar store for the arachnids.

It was cool to pit the Starship Troopers (non powered) mobile infantry against the Machines too.
Title: Re: What Crossover or Conversion games/figures
Post by: Dave Chase on March 07, 2011, 04:55:03 PM
Well then have you seen Starship Troopers 3: Marauder?

I would say that the Marauders are equal to an UNE Super Fortress in fire power in an Hvy Assualt Trooper frame.

Dave Chase
Title: Re: What Crossover or Conversion games/figures
Post by: Clark on March 07, 2011, 05:40:09 PM
Heinlen would probably be aghast if he saw the Verhoven movie. It basically satirized a lot of the points the original was trying to make. I've read that Marauder is closer to the novel in terms of the powered armour. I'm going to grab it next time I see it in a bargain bin.
Title: Re: What Crossover or Conversion games/figures
Post by: sergeant_hastp on March 07, 2011, 06:43:07 PM
I am a huge fan of the book. 

Believe me, I like the movie for completely different reasons.  One of which is because of the point I mentioned above.

Another good one is the Forever War.  Great stuff there. Power armor too!
Title: Re: What Crossover or Conversion games/figures
Post by: HardRock on March 07, 2011, 06:52:35 PM
Copplestone Future Wars makes good non-powered infantry figures. I have a bunch of Neo-Soviet figures on the painting table. Some of the HALO clix figures also, not as much as I'd like. I also have Mongoose Starship Troopers PA from the CGI series and a bunch of Bugs. They would make an interesting biological ally for the Horde.

Henry
Title: Re: What Crossover or Conversion games/figures
Post by: Arfiel on March 07, 2011, 07:26:20 PM
If you could find the figures, I had a lot of fun using a robotech in another war game. The cyclones would be some awesome fast attack power armour.
Title: Re: What Crossover or Conversion games/figures
Post by: sergeant_hastp on March 07, 2011, 08:49:32 PM
Hey, didn't we try to put the Guyver into LoS?

I mean, we had Guyvers in everything else...

"Guy-VER!!!"
Title: Re: What Crossover or Conversion games/figures
Post by: Arfiel on March 07, 2011, 08:53:14 PM
If you build it .... I will play it!!!
Title: Re: What Crossover or Conversion games/figures
Post by: Scoutzout on March 08, 2011, 11:15:29 PM
All this talk made me dig out some boxes of Vor the Malestrom

Ripe for Conversions there..
Neo Soviets
Growlers
Union
Shard

Large mix of troops there..from mutants to PI and a few walkers

Title: Re: What Crossover or Conversion games/figures
Post by: Clark on March 08, 2011, 11:32:38 PM
I am a huge fan of the book. 

Believe me, I like the movie for completely different reasons.  One of which is because of the point I mentioned above.

Another good one is the Forever War.  Great stuff there. Power armor too!

I too love the movie for completely different reasons.  It's a good, layered movie in its own right but it is not RH's vision which I have a certain affinity to.
Title: Re: What Crossover or Conversion games/figures
Post by: sergeant_hastp on March 09, 2011, 03:58:58 AM
I've posted my Planetstorm conversion rules for the Starship Troopers movie.  Brings back some good memories.
Title: Re: What Crossover or Conversion games/figures
Post by: grendeljd on March 09, 2011, 08:51:52 AM
All this talk made me dig out some boxes of Vor the Malestrom

Ripe for Conversions there..
Neo Soviets
Growlers
Union
Shard

Large mix of troops there..from mutants to PI and a few walkers

I could be wrong but I think JP & I made up some variant Nightmares based on some figures from Vor... and a couple others too but I forget what they were now. The variant Nightmares had an armour modifer of +1 and carried a vibrosword instead of a nachtmacher. I still have the figures somewhere, I basically cut their left arms off [which held some kind of football shaped shield] and added the nightmare deadbolt launcher arm to it. JP, do you think you might still have the stats for that guy?
Title: Re: What Crossover or Conversion games/figures
Post by: Brother Jim on March 09, 2011, 10:20:56 PM
Those sound like Cybertronic Machinators from Warzone.
Title: Re: What Crossover or Conversion games/figures
Post by: sergeant_hastp on March 10, 2011, 01:37:53 AM
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JP, do you think you might still have the stats for that guy?

Anything is possible.  Finding it would be the trick. It wouldn't be electronic format, which would mean it would be written down on paper somewhere.
Title: Re: What Crossover or Conversion games/figures
Post by: YojimboUsaka on March 10, 2011, 08:57:07 AM
I have a pretty large chunk of AT-43 Therian figures that work perfect for Machines.  The Red Blok and UNE work really well for slightly lower tech human forces.  The less said about the Karmans the better IMHO.  Maybe if you are running an Uplift type game but otherwise...meh.

They come pre-assembled and pre-painted so are a pretty good deal if you just want to get to playing quickly with decent looking figs.

Yoj
Title: Re: What Crossover or Conversion games/figures
Post by: bobloblah on March 10, 2011, 10:14:33 AM
What AT-43 Therian would you use for the MK I Assault Fiend?
Title: Re: What Crossover or Conversion games/figures
Post by: grendeljd on March 16, 2011, 03:10:24 PM
Those sound like Cybertronic Machinators from Warzone.

Dude! I think you're right - I can't find an image of the ones I have on the internet so I don't know for sure what they're called, but Warzone sounds about right!
Title: Re: What Crossover or Conversion games/figures
Post by: Scoutzout on March 16, 2011, 11:38:46 PM
Those sound like Cybertronic Machinators from Warzone.

Dude! I think you're right - I can't find an image of the ones I have on the internet so I don't know for sure what they're called, but Warzone sounds about right!

Machinators are correct...The Pharon  were from Vor but very Egyptian/undead take on Robotics
Title: Re: What Crossover or Conversion games/figures
Post by: Katharsis on April 20, 2011, 12:27:54 AM
In a sort of 'reverse' answer to the question...
... i'm planning a miniatures version (with some friends) using LoS figures as a kinda squad level version of Mass Effect - one of my all time favorite video games! The UNE troopers work well as Alliance and the Machines are obviously Geth. Mix in Infranites as well - the space combat is done with Firestorm Armada rules from Spartan press... incidently, the firestorm ships could be used for LoS fleet battles as well.
Title: Re: What Crossover or Conversion games/figures
Post by: Clark on April 27, 2011, 05:10:36 PM
I'd like to get some "official" crossovers at one point.  That is why I want to move towards a generic, open game.
Title: Re: What Crossover or Conversion games/figures
Post by: Scoutzout on May 07, 2011, 03:14:48 AM
I am working on a Halo conversion now just to have some fun. UPV is really not an issue at this point. However some of the technology for the game is unusual and doesn't translate well.

I am looking for thoughts/creative ideas for several sections of the conversion.

Shields: The Spartans and the Covenant have force fields or shields that provide a certain level of ablative armor and yet will regenerate if you have enough time to rest/seek cover. I am not sure how to represent this. My thought was to have the shield represent a "rechargeable kill"

If a Kill is scored the shield goes away
If a wound is scored the damage normally associated would be ignored as the shield absorbs it
The shield gains back a "wound" at the end of the next activation. 2 Activations and the shield is fully charged.
If a fire action is spent the kill comes back?


The frame would look something like this (Planetstorm)
Spartan GM-1 Move 4 1 Kill +1Kill Rechargeable Shield



Thoughts?


Title: Re: What Crossover or Conversion games/figures
Post by: smokingwreckage on May 07, 2011, 06:30:39 AM
I wouldn't stretch it so far. Remember a hit in LOS could mean quite a lot of firepower. I'd say it absorbs one kill, including any overkill, then you need to spend a fire action to get it back. That should force people to take cover?
Title: Re: What Crossover or Conversion games/figures
Post by: Scoutzout on May 07, 2011, 08:00:05 PM
I wouldn't stretch it so far. Remember a hit in LOS could mean quite a lot of firepower. I'd say it absorbs one kill, including any overkill, then you need to spend a fire action to get it back. That should force people to take cover?

That could work..You pretty much have to seek cover to let the shield charge up as it plays out in the game.
I may try to play the shields without the wound rules first and see how it goes and then get more detailed.